2015 Adam Disable Start / Stop

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Ok so this is driving me absolutely nuts, got a 2015 Adam 1L Turbo with the Start/Stop eco mode. I appreciate that I can turn it off each time I get in, but is there any way to disable it permanently? I didn’t buy the car to be an eco warrior and drive it carefully to save fuel, I bought it to drive.

I get the whole eco thing and for some people’s driving style it might just work; for mine it most certainly doesn’t and is driving me insane. Come to set off and car won’t move because its busy starting its self back up, or letting up the clutch ready to set off and car stalls because it hasn’t finished starting. I’d say sometimes its down right dangerous and as the driver I should have the option to turn this off.

Does anyone know of a way to disable this other than drastic measures?

Fred Bassett

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That’s correct, I can press the «Eco» button each and every time I get in the car but I don’t want to have to do that, I want it to be off by default and if I require I can turn it on. If there is no «official» solution then I will continue down the track I am heading and find a hack to make it operate in the manner I wish.

I’m thinking something like the attached with maybe a few capacitor changes to alter the timings.

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Boroboy

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That’s correct, I can press the «Eco» button each and every time I get in the car but I don’t want to have to do that, I want it to be off by default and if I require I can turn it on. If there is no «official» solution then I will continue down the track I am heading and find a hack to make it operate in the manner I wish.

I’m thinking something like the attached with maybe a few capacitor changes to alter the timings.

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I’ve driven Fords with the stop start and they don’t seem to be too bad. It’s maybe just Vaux implementation of it. Seems very laggy for want of a better word, and just doesn’t respond quick enough when I decide I want to go. If I do go down the hack route I’ll happily post pics along the way with explanation.

Had to do a similar thing to my old Rav 4 that Toyota saw fit to put electric mirrors on but you had to manually press a button to fold them in. I ‘tweaked’ it so they came in and out automatically as I started and stopped the ignition.

Boroboy

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I’ve driven Fords with the stop start and they don’t seem to be too bad. It’s maybe just Vaux implementation of it. Seems very laggy for want of a better word, and just doesn’t respond quick enough when I decide I want to go. If I do go down the hack route I’ll happily post pics along the way with explanation.

Had to do a similar thing to my old Rav 4 that Toyota saw fit to put electric mirrors on but you had to manually press a button to fold them in. I ‘tweaked’ it so they came in and out automatically as I started and stopped the ignition.

Fred Bassett

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It’s definitely got it fitted, and it will definitely be disabled very shortly.

I was hoping for a less intrusive method, but if it requires a hard mod then so be it.

Thanks for the replies and info so far.

M32Guy

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Bonet switch sounds like the easiest of the triggers to break, but I guess that’s a reasonable safety feature.

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Fred Bassett

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How would you fake the battery charge?

The only other sensor I could think that might do the trick without triggering a light on the dash would be the clutch. Question is would it have any adverse effects?

Like I said I’m not averse to making a small modification circuit to sit behind the Eco button. I just can’t believe Vauhall made it so hard to permanently turn off.

Fred Bassett

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How would you fake the battery charge?

The only other sensor I could think that might do the trick without triggering a light on the dash would be the clutch. Question is would it have any adverse effects?

Like I said I’m not averse to making a small modification circuit to sit behind the Eco button. I just can’t believe Vauhall made it so hard to permanently turn off.

Boroboy

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Thanks for the replies guys, and its as I suspected, I was reluctant to start messing with sensors etc anyway.
So I will continue down the route of a button hack to simulate a press once I have started the engine.

Fred Bassett

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Josh, thanks for the info, I’m a Software Engineer so could possibly sort out my own Arduino out. I decided to go with things I might have in the house and as it happens I’ve managed to put a circuit together completely from old parts I had lying around. This is more by good luck than judgment as I didn’t look for the parts until I had a working design. I said I would share it so here it is .

Find attached: Circuit Diagram, Breadboard Layout in the online Simulator, and the «real» circuit I made from the spare parts.

I’ll admit this is the first circuit I’ve designed, or better yet attempted to build in about 15 years so you can imagine my surprise when it worked almost perfectly first time.

Simplistically its a 2 stage circuit, the first is a delay of about 8 seconds, followed by a single pulse on the relay of around 1/2 a second. This allows me to power up the circuit while starting the car, then about 5 seconds after the engine is running and its all settled down the relay simulates a button press of the pesky «Eco Button» which turns it off each and every time I start the car. (Note: as the circuit powers up there is a single 1/2 second pulse on the relay, due to the circuit powering on, however this is simply ignored by the car, hence the need for the delay after ignition and another pulse which is the real trigger.)

As you can see from the bread board simulator, at rest after the circuit has performed its duties it draws a nominal 2.69 mA. The Circuit Diagram and the Breadboard pic show an LED and resistor over the relay, this was just for testing. You would connect the normally open points of the relay in parallel with the Eco Button. I did it this way so as not to interfere with any sensors or other safety features in the car, also makes it easy to remove should the need arise.

I haven’t got it installed yet so I guess its all still theory, but I will post some more pictures and maybe a quick video once I have it in and working!

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Boroboy

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Josh, thanks for the info, I’m a Software Engineer so could possibly sort out my own Arduino out. I decided to go with things I might have in the house and as it happens I’ve managed to put a circuit together completely from old parts I had lying around. This is more by good luck than judgment as I didn’t look for the parts until I had a working design. I said I would share it so here it is .

Find attached: Circuit Diagram, Breadboard Layout in the online Simulator, and the «real» circuit I made from the spare parts.

I’ll admit this is the first circuit I’ve designed, or better yet attempted to build in about 15 years so you can imagine my surprise when it worked almost perfectly first time.

Simplistically its a 2 stage circuit, the first is a delay of about 8 seconds, followed by a single pulse on the relay of around 1/2 a second. This allows me to power up the circuit while starting the car, then about 5 seconds after the engine is running and its all settled down the relay simulates a button press of the pesky «Eco Button» which turns it off each and every time I start the car. (Note: as the circuit powers up there is a single 1/2 second pulse on the relay, due to the circuit powering on, however this is simply ignored by the car, hence the need for the delay after ignition and another pulse which is the real trigger.)

As you can see from the bread board simulator, at rest after the circuit has performed its duties it draws a nominal 2.69 mA. The Circuit Diagram and the Breadboard pic show an LED and resistor over the relay, this was just for testing. You would connect the normally open points of the relay in parallel with the Eco Button. I did it this way so as not to interfere with any sensors or other safety features in the car, also makes it easy to remove should the need arise.

I haven’t got it installed yet so I guess its all still theory, but I will post some more pictures ad maybe a quick video once I have it in and working!

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