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Recently got a 2015 Scricocco R and it drives great, but I noticed when coming to a stand still or idling it sounds like a diesel engine, and can be heard whilst inside the car. I had a 2014 Scirocco R and cant say I remember it sounding like this but thought I would check in with some other R owners.

Appreciate any feedback

Is the exhaust stock? Is the res still there

It sounds like what you get when you stick a phone in an engine bay. You’re hearing injectors and a million other processes, if it drives fine then ignore.

Ye stock exhaust, was recently serviced prior to buying and has 35k on the clock. Ye I should have probably recorded it from inside the car my bad. Vid was just to give an idea of the kind of diesel sound at idle.

Could that be the direct injection sound?

Aircon compressor perhaps. might be faulty.

Thanks for the helpful replies. I have tried taking a video from inside the cabin which is where the «diesel» noise really comes through especially at idle.

Even with the radio on all I can hear is the sound of a diesel / tractor engine churning over. The audio on the video isn’t the best sorry.

VW can see the car in a couple of weeks, and even then its $170 just to look at the car.

It sounds like what you get when you stick a phone in an engine bay. You’re hearing injectors and a million other processes, if it drives fine then ignore

Even if you want to get it checked out go to an indie, not VW.

I have tried taking a video from inside the cabin which is where the «diesel» noise really comes through especially at idle

There is definitely something there that shouldn’t be IMO so ye you need to get it checked by a mechanic in case it turns in to something more serious.

Yup. That sound from YouTube clip is not right.

Sounds like the high pressure fuel pump to me.
It is driven by one of the camshafts.

Yup. That sound from YouTube clip is not right.

Agreed, something there needs further investigation

Sounds like the injectors, just like my car.

However, I noticed that your accessory belt tensioner is shaking about. The spring may have worn out and you need the tensioner unit replaced.

Your car sounds the same inside the cabin also?

I am taking the car to a mechanic to have a listen tomorrow will have him look at the belt tensioner thanks for spotting that.

Update: Mechanic had a listen, sounded like a diesel inside the cabin, opened up the hood. «so this isn’t a diesel engine? It sounds like one». He did say the tensioner should be moving around though.

Was told to take it back so they can open it up and have a look around. Really frustrating but I am sure its not meant to sound like it does. The search goes on.

On our tdi golf the alternator pulley went ( common) , the tensioner was moving a lot too .
I got a used alternator with a reco pulley drive from the local wreckers , $60 , fitted it problem solved

Maybe get an oil change for something slightly thicker, if it’s got Km up clearances increase due to wear can get a bit tappety in the valve train. Stock oil is something like 5W-40, so try 5W-50 or 10W-50. See what mech says after he fixes the other issue.

Update: Mechanic had a listen, sounded like a diesel inside the cabin, opened up the hood. «so this isn’t a diesel engine? It sounds like one». He did say the tensioner should be moving around though.

Was this a VW specialist or similar? They should know this car didn’t come is diesel.

Sounds like a pretty standard EA with DI ticking.

Seriously, that does not sound like valve train noise. It is the noise of direct injectors. So it’s fine.

That’s an issue that interior sound. Definitely not right.

1st vid, that’s probably just the injectors,

2nd vid, can’t really tell much/anything from that, regardless.

1 – I hope you’re joking about the mechanic asking if it was a diesel. If that wasn’t a joke, take it elsewhere, you were not at the right place.

2 – Have you had the car serviced since you owned it? I would start by taking it to a VW specialist and having them service it and start the investigation if required. I’ve had a couple of cars with engines related to this one, they’re fussy when it comes to oil.

It is the noise of direct injectors. So it’s fine.

Hard to tell from a video, but if audible inside it’s way loud. My EA888 sounds nothing like this at idle.

My EA888 sounds nothing like this at idle.

R has EA113, they are louder at idle.

Could that be the direct injection sound?

Thats correct direct injection is noisier than multi point

1 – I hope you’re joking about the mechanic asking if it was a diesel. If that wasn’t a joke, take it elsewhere, you were not at the right place.

To be fair, turbocharged DI engines can sound pretty bad.

so try 5W-50 or 10W-50

A 10W50 can be formulated to be thinner than a 5W50 at operating temperature. 5W50 is thinner when cold.

A 10W50 can be formulated to be thinner than a 5W50 at operating temperature.

Well if it’s a 50 VI at operating temperature, that’s what it is. If it was » thinner» it would not be rated as 50. So you are not making sense.

A 10W50 can be formulated to be thinner than a 5W50 at operating temperature. 5W50 is thinner when cold.

Car is at VW they heard the noise straight away but have not been able to identify the cause. Asked for it to stay in overnight so they can hear it at cold start as the noise isn’t there till the engine warms up.

They mentioned removing the fuel pump as that seems to be the source of the sound.

Will hopefully find out tomorrow and get this fixed i want to drive my car!

Update: Another day at VW not the fuel pump so they will keep searching for the source of the noise 🙁

Well if it’s a 50 VI at operating temperature, that’s what it is.

A 50 grade oil is a range.

50 weight:
MIN 16.3 cst @ 100degC
MAX 21.9 cst@100degC

The W rating is based on the cold cranking performance of the oil.

0W 6200 cP @ -35°C
5W 6600 cP @ -30°C
10W 7000 cP @ -25°C

A 50 grade is a range. A 10W50 can be thinner than a 5W50 at 100degC depending on the formulation. The W only tells about the cold cranking performance.

Car went to VW on Tuesday morning, its still there as they have been trying to diagnose the issue. They can hear the sound but as of yet have no idea what the issue could be.

Slightly worrying if its taken 4 days and the cause is still not even close to being found. Just got to leave it there until they get back to me.

Is this under warranty?

Something not quite right, probably nothing major but best get it sorted.

Pulley, water pump, tensioner . something like that is my guess.

Cam follower for HPFP. Makes that noise stock, gets louder as it wears.

Cam follower for HPFP.

Was just about to mention this. The most likely cause.

A 50 grade is a range. A 10W50 can be thinner than a 5W50 at 100degC depending on the formulation. The W only tells about the cold cranking performance.
Yeah, sure, point was though that if the stock oil was 5w-40, then a 5w50 would be slightly thicker at 100° C, with a range of 16.3-21.9 cS.
Which was what I thought I pointed out to help quieten noisy valvetrain a bit.
But sure, it’s entirely possible but beside the point.

VW just rang to say that after a week of being in the garage its not the fuel pump, but its something inside the actual engine. So they need $1087 to strip it down to find out what the actual problem is. God knows how much this is gonna end up costing.

Maybe I should just live with the diesel sound at low revs :/

Ouch. What’s the charge so far? A week at the dealer could still just be 3 hours with the mechanic, but they’ll still likely bend you over. Is it still under warranty, or covered under ACL?

Sadly warranty ended 6 months ago 🙁

Sadly warranty ended 6 months ago 🙁

If it has full service history it should be covered under goodwill. Best to contact VW head office to get them to approve the goodwill repair, if you fish around you can find direct contact details for VW Australia CEO IIRC. A stern message on VW facebook page might do the trick. 😉

VW just rang to say that after a week of being in the garage its not the fuel pump, but its something inside the actual engine. So they need $1087 to strip it down to find out what the actual problem is.

It all seems very strange as I thought the EA113 engines were considered bulletproof.

Also how recently did you buy the car? You have a 3 month statutory warranty on used cars.

VW just rang to say that after a week of being in the garage its not the fuel pump, but its something inside the actual engine. So they need $1087 to strip it down to find out what the actual problem is. God knows how much this is gonna end up costing.
Ohhhh, not good, it could be an exxy fix. Wish you good luck and hope it’s not completely balled.

Did this model have the «Soundaktor» or was the sound pumped through the speakers for this year model.
I disconnected that in my Golf R (2012 model) because it rattled the dash and just sounded unnatural.
I disconnected it so long ago though now I can’t remember if it rattled at idle or only when you gave it some stick..

they need $1087 to strip it down to find out what the actual problem is. God knows how much this is gonna end up costing.

Ah, that prestige European car feeling.

Sorry to hear about this, OP. Although I generally don’t trust Euro reliability, I have a soft spot for the Scirocco, I think its a very nicely styled car. Hope it works out and doesn’t end up costing too much!

but its something inside the actual engine. So they need $1087 to strip it down to find out what the actual problem is. God knows how much this is gonna end up costing.

«MECHANICALS
The ‘Roc has a 188kW/330Nm 2.0litre direct-injection turbo engine, driving the front wheels through a choice of six-speed manual or six-speed DSC. It runs on 19-inch alloy wheels with (very) lo-pro tyres and has an interior to please any red-blooded driver.
Some overseas markets get a 206kW version, but 188 was deemed better for hot climates and it provides more than enough punch.»

Hopefully better and have you got that red blooded feeling?

Here’s a teardown of a 2.0 TSI engine by VW enthusiast Humble Mechanic, not sure if it’s OP’s EA113 or a EA888:

Not sure who designed that engine, but what a terrible design. Overcomplicated to the extreme, with way more components than necessary.

It has has three separate chains when rivals have two, it has five timing chain guides when a rival engines can make do with two. Why the PCV is part of the valve cover is inexplicable. The VW engine is very, very inelegant. :/

On the other hand, where there should be a separate part — camshaft caps — there isn’t and the valve cover is used to torque down the camshafts, because that is clearly a great idea, lol.

Another mechanic chimes in with this:
Absolutely horrible design throughout. Plastic junk components here there & everywhere just waiting to start leaking!

I will watch that video in full but only a stamped tin push in plug for the timing chain tensioner inspection hole ?? What if vibration makes it fall off ? Engine oil dumped out of the engine.

not sure if it’s OP’s EA113 or a EA888:

EA888, chain. EA113 is belt driven.

Not sure who designed that engine, but what a terrible design.

It’s actually one of the best turbo 4’s ever built, all round great motor.

What if vibration makes it fall off ? Engine oil dumped out of the engine.

Getting the engine opened up next week. Hopefully its nothing major.

VW Service manager said he will forward my details to VW head office once we know what the issue is as the car warranty only expired 6 months ago and the car only has 36000km on the clock and full VW history.

Will post an update when I find out more

Why the PCV is part of the valve cover is inexplicable. The VW engine is very, very inelegant. :/

Sounds the same as the BMW I had. replacement valve cover is pretty much part of the (unspoken) maintaince item when hitting close to 100k km (along with water pumps, injectors, 2 turbos etc etc)

$1k at stealer or try your luck online for the replacement part.

as the car warranty only expired 6 months ago and the car only has 36000km on the clock

you need to let this ‘warranty expired’ thing go .. it’s really annoying me.

you have a statutory warranty which is whatever is ‘reasonable’ (in simple terms) .. some cars have 7 years warranty which gives you an idea about what might be reasonable .. particularly for an engine.

so stop going on about your warranty has expired.

Er OK sorry I didn’t realise I was «going on» about warranty. I was repeating what the VW guy said to me :/

It’s actually one of the best turbo 4’s ever built, all round great motor.

I am not sure how you come to that conclusion when the comments include:

I had $2200 worth of work done on it after the water pump finally failed. Ended up having the tensioner, water pump and camshaft seal all done before selling it.

Very bad design of the engine.. either p. rings or chain or any of the plastic parts . even that screen is a joke.

To date one of the most involved engine rebuilds I’ve done. Absolutely horrible design throughout. Plastic junk components here there & everywhere just waiting to start leaking! One item in particular is the small coolant joining sleeve in the back of that rubbish water pump! Seriously who the hell designs these engines? As for that early chain tensioner? Unbelievable.

It seems like you only care about the performance result, and not the quality of the underlying engineering, manufacture and design?

I was repeating what the VW guy said to me :/

you have 2 warranties ..
(1) x1 from VW
(2) x1 from the Australian Government

VW Service manager said he will forward my details to VW head office once we know what the issue

so this all seems like the correct process for VW to look after your warranty from the friendly government

so stop going on about your warranty has expired.

His warranty has expired. His consumer guarantee is up to him to argue.

I am not sure how you come to that conclusion when the comments include:

I watched the video, I don’t remember him having those comments. He said they can be failure points. Are you talking about the comments on the actual YouTube video? I would steer well clear of repeating that.

I am not sure how you come to that conclusion when the comments include:

That is a very early EA888. Most of the issues were extensively revised by the time the engine got into the MK6. MK7 EA888 are very very good. Excellent power/torque/economy/emissions. Hard pressed to find anything as good, unless all you care about is cheap and a conservative 130hp for 15 years.

It seems like you only care about the performance result, and not the quality of the underlying engineering, manufacture and design?

I just don’t get caught up on the little things. Like you were talking about 3 chains and 5 guides. Yet there was only two guides for the timing chain and 3 from the balance shaft which runs water and oil. A rival motor may have an electric pump or be gear driven. That is simply a different design. PCV on valve cover is so simple.

One item in particular is the small coolant joining sleeve in the back of that rubbish water pump!

Connects a plastic housing to an alloy block. I think the engineer who designed it knows the issue there better than some random in the YouTube comments section.

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